Planetary Nodes Thread

[Redwood]

Great job everyone on your responses! I am very heartened by all your insights.

Natasha
Thank you for adding in Jim Carrey to your post. It would be a great example chart we can dive further into at some point. I attached it for reference. Of note: His Gemini Moon, which changes signs from Placidus to Porphyry from 8th to 7th, is within a degree of collective NN Venus Gemini - by extension Uranus and Ceres North Node's. Rodden Rating of A for source; from Astro Databank.

Great job pulling in the nodal axis of Venus and Uranus, and beginning to delve into the many related themes of these - 
You wrote:
"From an archetypal point of view with South Nodes in Sagittarius and North Nodes in Gemini, we are called from a shift of lifetimes of overconfidence in structures , overcompensation and blind belief to what's in front us to now asking us to move into a state of open-mindedness, connections with others through communication, curiosity, and questioning."

Yes, 100%. Your insights speak into this concept of getting out of our own story, getting out of our head. Famous kirtan chanter Krishna Das often speaks of 'getting up in the morning and starting the movie of me.' Like a groundhog's day phenomena where the trickster's role is to suddenly break us out of our own ongoing script of reality.

The deeper purpose of the sacred clown - yes, so true. Also, when we add in the North Node of Ceres at the 21st degree of Gemini, I suggest we have also intertwined themes of nurturing and caring for people by stepping into the role of sacred clown; though western religious conditioning and patriarchal teachings do not really embrace nurturance and disruption as potentially working together. Clearly the planetary nodes do!

On the topic of beauty and the planetary nodes of Venus and Uranus, we will be diving deeper into this together, as this is whole complex thing. Thank you for introducing it! With these nodes in conjunction for centuries in Gemini, we will expand and contextualize the current social media beauty phenomena, Venus - Uranus - Gemini, within the larger context of changing beauty norms and objectivity vs objectification of beauty that have been evolutionary themes within the collective psyche for so long.

Anna - thank you for adding the Sami shaman - I had not heard of this. Yes - Venus as the 'mirror of other' - walking life such that everyone could be a sacred clown. Such an insightful and fascinating concept, echoed in many spiritual teachings. In my own spiritual path, Ram Dass often spoke about seeing everyone that comes as Maharaji, or the Divine. Everything in the outer, other, Libra side of Venus, offers up some reflection and information connected to our own awakening, Uranus Venus Gemini.

Jordyn - thank you for speaking more to the Heyoka's backward path and the connection to these other planetary nodes. Very insightful connections. It is very curious that we have this Venus Uranus NN conjunction at the same time as all these South Nodes in Capricorn. Jupiter, as ruler of Sag, leads us to consider the ways we get stuck in our own stories of reality are connected to the South Node of Jupiter in Capricorn. Yes, at some point, we can get further into the Yod's you have highlighted. It is worth noting, while I look at whole sign dynamics and this has a lot of value, that it is specifically the nodes of Jupiter which form the most exact Yods - SN Jup Cap to NN Uranus Gemini and NN Neptune Leo, and then the inverse of this of course - NN Jup Cancer to the SN Uranus Sag & SN Neptune Aqu. This is pretty advanced synthesis!

Kathia - thank you for sharing the Indigenous Mexican dance! Isn't it just so fascinating that cultures all over the world have incorporated the message of the planetary nodes! Clearly, resistance to the integration of social disruption subverts this and leads to unhealthier expressions, which we shall explore at some point in context of these nodes. I appreciate your emphasis of the humor and playful aspects of the trickster, as it is clear there is this synthesis of the Sag and Gemini nodes within these cultural examples.
It appears you mistook Neptune's AQU/LEO nodes for Uranus. Uranus and Venus's nodes are in conjunction in Sag/Gemini.

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So, as you can see, if one doesn't understand the extent the planetary nodes are woven into the fabric of reality as we know it, we end up mixing archetypes. Does Josh know about the NN Uranus and Venus in Gemini?

Is it not clear that the trickster archetype is much more Uranian because of Uranus's North Node in Gemini? And, with the conjunction to the North Node of Venus, we have this Uranian trickster fully integrated into the social sphere of cultures which are in harmony with natural laws. Positive example of bringing the Sag South Node conjunction into expression of these Gemini North Nodes. Subverted, it still shows it face and becomes a disruptive force that brings disharmony, instead of harmony. As we can see, the healthy intention of the trickster's disruptive behaviors, is to awaken us back into harmony, Uranus Venus.

This message board is a great example of the collective nodal axis of Uranus and Venus in Sag/Gemini - a shared group learning and writing experience! In this spirit, I am happy to see so many more of you who are here, as part of this thread. As I mentioned, I do have limitations of how much I can read and respond to, which is why I originally asked for 5 active posting participants. Only 4 of you responded to this one. So, let's just see how this goes. Thank you. And welcome Michelle B and JaymeJohnson. To allow for more participation, I am expanding the time between my prompts and responses. I like to think how each of us, in our own lives, has these ideas percolating in our consciousness and getting ahas!

I am going to give a two week time to respond to this next assignment.

The next assignment is to read Lynn White's famous article: The Historical Roots of Our Ecological Crisis. Published March 10, 1967.

https://www.uvm.edu/~gflomenh/courses/ENV-NGO-PA395/articles/Lynn-White.pdf

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As you read this, keep in mind that the North Node of Uranus entered Gemini first, which means the North Node of Venus came later and caught up. In fact, it was in the 1330's in which we saw this exact conjunction.

What insights came to your reading this about the Venus Uranus nodal conjunction?
What insights do you have about the South Node of Jupiter in Capricorn after reading this?

[jordynsmith]

Redwood and All,

I just want to thank you, Redwood, for moderating this. I also love the homework you are giving us because it does "percolate" more information. Which, by the way, VI my oldest was listening to Josh's podcast with me in the car and they absolutely LOVED it! Your first assignment even struck a chord with someone outside of EA!

To everyone else, I just want to say that it warms my heart that so many are participating. I feel this is how we truly learn. We get to hear each other's perspectives, and it deepens our understanding of the nuances within the archetypes!

with love,
Jordyn

[Chrystal02]

Hello, All,

I apologize for my absence. I was dealing with some hard issues my youngest child is trying to navigate. I will review the most recent assignment posted and comment on it shortly. Thank you for hosting the group, and for the powerful material that has already been provided!

Love,

Chrystal G.

[Natasha]

As Jordyn stated, thank you for the opportunity for us to study together and learn from eachother.  This is such a blessing and we appreciate the opportunity you are giving us all.  Below is what came to mind when thinking about the South Node of Jupiter in Capricorn when reading this article.

Generally speaking, the South Node of Jupiter will shed light on the accumulated collective beliefs of the past and what has been known to be our collective "truth".  It could possibly show areas of stagnation or where we tend to resort back to as with all south nodes, for security reasons.  With the South Node of Jupiter in Capricorn, we can see that as a collective, our idea of the truth has been heavily conditioned, suppressed and influenced by man-made laws.   The attribution of Christianity as playing a major role in the ecological crisis due to man's belief that one is separate and "above" nature is highly reflected in this South Node of Jupiter in Capricorn.  Jupiter, correlating to Nature/Natural Law also reflect how nature itself has been impacted by the patriarchy and how man-made religions have been conditioned and distorted as a means of control.

There is a big message that I feel is reflected in the crisis brought up by this article which reflects as a mirror the bigger picture of duality and separation.  As we progress forwards throughout the evolutionary states, we move from the sense of being separate from our Creator into higher states of consciousness where that veil begins to dissipate; and our union with our Creator becomes evident.  I use the word UNION instead of reunion, because we are technically never really separated from Source; it is only our perception depending on the evolutionary states which are reflected in our desires.  The perceived state of separation seen more within the consensus, is also seen in man's relationship to nature – as reflected with the SN of Jupiter in Capricorn.  Man's perception of power over nature, and domination over nature with the use of technology is the reflection of the relationship that they have with nature.  Destruction of nature for economic gains is an example of this.  (i.e destroying an entire forest with many trees and life in order to build new buildings or a shopping center). I believe this type of behavior is also a result of the pressures society, religions and government have put on the people, and the unrealistic expectations of living, of status and of success that has been taught throughout the distortions of the patriarchy. 

Jupiter representing natural law, nature, philosophy, religion, and ultimately "truth" reflect that you cannot separate nature from belief.  Thus, how we are treating our nature is a direct correlation to our belief systems.  What we are doing to nature is what we are doing to ourselves.  The destruction of nature is just another signal that our beliefs have been conditioned(Capricorn), suppressed and controlled; and in order to adjust that, there must be a complete healing of our belief systems.  Jupiter/Sag/9th is naturally inconjunct to Capricorn's polarity Cancer/4th/Moon – this presents the crisis in our belief system that we are not one with nature, and that nature will not provide to us what we need ;which then speaks to the adjustment of tapping back into our matriarchal roots, natural ways of being where we nurtured nature, and nature nurtured us. Man and nature coexisted as one.  There was mutual respect for each other.   And I believe respecting nature being one of the lessons needed to be learned with Jupiter's SN in Cap.  Respect in my opinion being one of the higher expressions of the Capricorn archetype.  When we are a baby inside the primordial womb of our mother, we are not worried on how we will be provided for –the nutrients are shared through the umbilical cord and everything we need is given to us through the natural union/connection between baby and mother.  Mother nature is meant to provide to us, just as a mother provides to her offspring inside the womb. If you observe the animals, they are not worried about paying their mortgage, or if they need to get a 2nd job in order to provide for their family.  We can learn a lot by observing nature; animals are in harmony, and are one with nature.  Nature provides to them and for them right in the moment that they need it.  It is our destruction to nature that brings forth the problems we are seeing today.  The severance of our connection is what probes us to search outwards in the external with material items for what we need, or with building(Capricorn) unnatural structures to get more and more and more.  The intention of "more" is usually based with an unconscious tone of greed, and desiring capital gains.  The deeper issue to discover is why, which in my opinion is rooted to a deeper layer of fear.  Fear of lack, fear of not having enough, and fear of survival. Fear of not being taken care of.  This can come from the lie/deceit that is told in man-made religions that we are separate and above nature as he mentioned in the article.  With the NN of Jupiter in Cancer, we are called to realign and balance our beliefs about our connection with nature and Mother Earth so that we learn and understand that we are not separate. Jupiter is about vision, and the world is being called on healing our vision with nature; being able to see the bigger picture that we are indeed not separate from Mother Earth or above or superior to her; being able to see that we were never really separate from her, and that we are One--- just as we are one with Source.

[jordynsmith]

Hi Redwood and All,

I'll be responding sometime this week to the last assignment. I've been working on presentations for the workshop I have been holding. I just did the first lecture this evening and will have a bit more time to settle in to thoughtfully respond.

with love,
Jordyn

[Redwood]

Natasha - thanks for your post and all your insights!

You wrote:

"With the South Node of Jupiter in Capricorn, we can see that as a collective, our idea of the truth has been heavily conditioned, suppressed and influenced by man-made laws"

Yes, indeed - Jupiter - religion, Capricorn - conditioning - very clearly this is a symbol that connects to religious conditioning. One thing that I found very interesting in this article was that I had not really considered our current ecological crises to be related to the South Node of Jupiter in Capricorn. However, after reading it, as you noted, we can see that beliefs of being separate from nature or having a elevated status above nature, as if it is simply ours to use, does have roots in religious conditioning via Christian beliefs about human's entitlement to dominate their environment. And, of course, the South Nodes of Venus and Uranus conjunction in Sag link to religious trauma, as well as themes of religious freedom.

One thing I think it is helpful to keep in mind is that we all have a blind spot. Of course, Neptune, Pisces, & 12th house come to mind first, from an Evolutionary Astrology point of view, when we talk about blind spots. I do want to point out that this South Node of Jupiter in Capricorn does have some influence on our blind spots. Essentially, we all come in with limits to our consciousness. This is an evolutionary stage phenomena and of course Pisces archetype correlates to consciousness. When we get to Jupiter, beyond the box of religion, there is still a box that we are in, so to speak, in my opinion, which correlates to this Jupiter South Node. We have come in with limits to our capacity to understand the totality of a situation. We don't know what we don't know. Our intuition can be influenced by the conditioning of our consciousness. If we do the Cancer polarity, we model security in the learning process. But at times, it is easier to believe we already know and have already come to a conclusion. The judgement has already been formed that blocks us from Uranus Gemini - going outside the box.

And relative to the South Node of Jupiter in Cap, we all come in with a need to define the truth, which can lead to this belief that our version of the truth is right. It is like not wanting to live in a vague undefined story of who we are and what our own interpretation of life is.

This article highlights this dominance of human over nature. Jupiter's Collective nodes went into Cap/Cancer a little more than a 1000 years ago. If we look up the Crusades, these military campaigns were launched by the papacy from 1095 to 1291. I believe the increased rigidity of being right and having one's beliefs, Jupiter, lead to judgment, Capricorn, further inspired these events. Also, the Crusades mark the applying conjunction of Venus and Uranus's South Nodes in Sag; further examples of religious trauma playing out in efforts to dominate and control others beliefs, Jupiter Cap.

The reason I found this article enlightening is that, from my own education, I lacked a greater understanding of this arc of science and technology that has it's roots further back than we may understand. The Venus Uranus Gemini themes emerging amidst the entrenched Christian beliefs, SN Jupiter Cap, create this curious rise of science in the west. Lynn wrote:

"However, in the Latin West by the early 13th century natural theology was following a very different bent. It was ceasing to be the decoding of the physical symbols of God's communication with man and was becoming the effort to understand God's mind by discovering how his creation operates."

The underlying Gemini themes show this increasing exploration and curiousness to discover, to adapt, and experiment with life. It seems the inconjunct to the South Node of Jupiter from the Gemini nodes is one planetary node dynamic that reflects our ecological crisis, due to the conditioned belief structures in consciousness mingling with this constant Gemini pull to discover new ways to understand life itself. The crisis of curiosity with entitlement.

Gemini Devil's advocate moment here:
If all of this life is a dream, from this point of view what isn't natural? Is it not only natural with the North Nodes of Venus and Uranus in Gemini that humans would experiment and change their environments more and more? And now we face the karma of this path - extremes and imbalances. In light of the Venus Uranus NN conjunction in Gemini, we are called to adapt to an ever changing reality, more and more! If this is but the matrix we chose to all be born into, is this simply par for the course? If we all are born with the North Node of Pluto in Cancer did we all sign up for an experience of reality and life where the outer world does not offer us the security we seek? What is actually good or bad in terms of how we see these manifestations of the planetary nodes? In light of our soul's choosing to incarnate into these unique collective evolutionary circumstances? I wouldn't say social media, Venus Uranus Gemini nodes, is inherently good or bad. It sure is a modern evolutionary phenomenon!

Thoughts and questions?

Also, Saint Francis of Assisi - what an inspiration!

And so, this week I want to continue to explore this inconjunct from the South Nodes in Capricorn to these North Nodes in Gemini. And I am choosing to continue this though a look into the life of Mao Zedong. There is a podcast I was listening to recently which I enjoyed because it explores China under Mao and it doesn't seem like imperialist propaganda, nor leftist idealism. This talk reveals the many complexities within Mao himself. I was immediately reflecting on how we have these different parts within ourselves. Particularly highlighted by the quote about having the monkey and tiger sides within.

When we think of revolution and our attraction to ideas of freedom and equality, certainly the North Nodes of Venus and Uranus in Gemini and their South Nodes in Sag come to mind, in terms of planetary nodes. Also, I think the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius relates to this ideal we all have somewhere in the psyche of this potential of working together as community, the tide raises all boats mentality. It takes a village, etc.

Birth time is questionable. Mao has a Neptune Pluto in Gemini activating this North Node of Uranus in Gemini (and Venus NN, by extension) and Mercury opposing on the South Nodes of Uranus and Venus in Gemini. This is his part of monkey side, the revolutionary side.

If we were node-less, we would look at Mao's Venus in Aquarius squared by Uranus. The Moon is also opposite Venus and squared by Uranus. But with the planetary nodes, we consider that Pluto and Neptune are on the NN of Uranus and Mercury is on the SN's of Venus and Uranus. This gives more depth and complexity to our chart reflections.

Then, we see Mao's Saturn conjunct the Libra South Node, which is also in a very tight square to Saturn's collective nodal axis in Cap/Cancer. Tiger side.

From this podcast we have this glimpse into these natal connections to Mao as a revolutionary and leader of the people. We also have this glimpse into the tension between Uranus/Aquarius and Saturn/Capricorn. Especially when it appears that the revolution is becoming too chaotic and part of him resists this. It is hard to embrace Uranus all the time.

If anyone has any new insights of reflections you want to share on Mao or additional thoughts on religious conditioning's interface with emergence of science/technology, as it relates to this inconjunct between Jupiter's Cap South Node and the Gemini North Nodes, please go for it. Please feel free to pull in any planetary nodes.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5US7OKPrjPDbGMweIiUoxG?si=neHIUs3BSVO7W26lOxd-0g
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5US7OKPrjPDbGMweIiUoxG?si=neHIUs3BSVO7W26lOxd-0g

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/upstream/id1082594532?i=1000735168086

[Redwood]

okay Jordyn, look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Best,

[Redwood]

While you continue to reflect upon the greater meanings of these collective planetary nodes, I wanted to deposit an idea here regarding the Nodes of Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn.

First off, we will see over and over that we are never to not do the south nodes. It isn't a matter of abandoning our past in the journey of future growth. For example, regarding the Pluto Polarity Point, we are not saying "don't do your Pluto anymore!" Right? How can we not be who we are? It is about the evolution including both polarities.

And so, when we think about the north nodes in Cancer, how can we successfully collectively "do them" without doing the south nodes?

I have tended to think of the south nodes in Capricorn as the the negatives of patriarchy, imperialism, dominance, control, oppression, resource extraction, capitalism, etc. But I feel we need to ask, what has led to the current crisis? The greed of a few to control, Saturn, the power and resources, Pluto, of society, Capricorn, is accomplished when the few have control of the systems that manage them. Therefore, we can't abandon these south nodes. Rather, are we not called to take control of our shared resources? This comes into concepts of how a society controls and regulates economy and business. We hear that deregulation is good, but is it not feeding the extreme resource gap even more? Whose responsibility is it to regulate and control the resources?

I share these reflections because I have been fed constant ideas of what freedom means. And this often comes with this idea of no one having control "over you."

However, to have no control and power over use of our shared resources we find we are over and over impoverished and witness abuses of control and power. And so, do we not need to question it when we are told that deregulation is the answer? Is it not evident that to fulfill the south nodes of Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn we need to find a way to control wealth and resources in society? But, we are coming from the South Nodes of Venus Uranus in conjunction in Sag - we hate this idea, on some level. The lockdown of 2020 at the start of the pandemic revealed this in the USA, however the on the ground reality of how peoples of other countries actively engaged with society's efforts to control and protect, cap/cancer nodes, the pandemic are not publicized widely. In some countries, it was not just rebellion against the measures, rather it was active participation. Remember the Jan 2020 conjunction of Saturn and Pluto was on their south nodes. Not every global situation was the wealthy capitalizing upon the crisis.

If we zoom out to the big picture, this Saturn Pluto conjunction raises globally these questions. It is not a one and done on that. Rather, we have just entered into a larger collective process to come to terms with the reality of these nodal axis and the karma if we continue to let others control the people's shared power and resources. 

[Redwood]

This week for anyone out there following along, I invite you to share with us one collective planetary nodes connection you have had. 


One epiphany I had this week was that I realized that the Nodes of Neptune, in a healthy way, bring the Aquarius South Node into the Leo North Node - such that, we will individually have purpose and meaning in life that is connected to community.

I was standing on a bridge where painted broken hearts on rocks suggested there had been suicides there in the past. And I considered how, in my country, the USA, there is often a deep profound lack of meaning and purpose. Like a worst case scenario for NN Neptune in Leo. Lost, no purpose, disconnected from inspired meaning in life and from connection to community. Yes, the inner void is Virgo. And, it think it helps to contextualize this in terms of the Nodes of Neptune, in part b/c Pisces is the polarity and represents evolutionary path out of Virgo inner emptiness. Looking collectively through this lens across history and cultures all over is very fascinating.

On the opposite side of this, we have situations where people give their lives for a greater purpose or cause, which reflects the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius coming through the North Node of Neptune. Recently, in studying the Cuban revolution, I was amazed at how many times hundreds and thousands of people lost their lives in the fight for independence, but more people kept joining the cause. In the example of the Cuba revolution of 1959 and their earlier revolutionary efforts, we see that the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius correlates to these ideals in consciousness of independence, freedom, and sovereignty, as well as the unity of the people. When all this comes through the North Node of Neptune in Leo, there was and still is so much inspired purpose that giving up of ones life for the greater purpose happens. I do think it helps to keep in mind that the peasantry and working class had basically nothing to loose. This notion of "how far can the people be pushed and still be controlled." If you want to listen to podcasts on Cuba, I found Cuba Analysis a worthy listen, as well as the Cuba series on Upstream.

Please share your nodal insights and thoughts, great or small, or any questions you that arose. Best,

Redwood

[Natasha]

Hi Redwood,
Thanks for bringing that in! I am a 1st generation Cuban-American, and my family migrated here during the revolution in the early 60s. My paternal grandfather was well known back in the day for his rescuing of Cuban people and bringing them to the US, and for his attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro.  He was the first person in history to break the Cuban-American anti-raid law passed here in the U.S. and was investigated heavily by the CIA around the time of John F. Kennedy's assassination. So I have heard some pretty intense stories.

When talking about Neptune's nodes and Cuba, The Mariel Boatllift also came to my attention.  Many people during that time were seeking asylum.   When Castro saw how many thousands of people were looking to leave, he opened up the port and told everyone they were free to go, but it was a strategy on his end to let a different group of people go.  He opened up all the prisons, mental institutions, etc.. letting  free all the those who were incarcerated, criminal, and the mentally unstable.

I think about all those people here in the US that fled from the time of revolution through the 80s... Many of those people today created new lives for themselves here in the U.S., built from scratch, learned a new language, started businesses, and grew their families.  I think that NN of Neptune in Leo is reflected here -  yet it required them do the SN(Aquarius) in order to evolve--the trauma they experienced, the need to detach from what was formerly known to them, and in sense liberate from a place they were not wanting to be or were going to be controlled in.  Liberation for a new purpose (SN in Aquarius, NN in Leo)

[Redwood]

Natasha,

Thank you for sharing all of this and giving me/us a wider perspective and lens to see both Cuba and the Nodes of Neptune. I really appreciate it. Your analysis and insights related to the nodes is spot on.

The South Node of Neptune correlates to the potential for us to romanticize past revolutions. I was doing this myself as I listened to the story of Cuba's revolution. Relative to the Nodes of Neptune, the South Node in Aquarius can express as idealizing revolutions of the past. And, relative to the North Node in Leo, we can see the idealization of the heroes of revolutions. The reality is that revolutions are chaotic and tragic and intense.

In the USA I believe we can see this regarding the idealization of the American Revolution. Beyond idealizing, relative to the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius, we can also see romanticism of the American Revolution, expanding in new ways within modern patriotism. Old Glory, Stars and Strips forever, Spirit of 1776, etc.

In the USA chart, if we use the Gemini rising chart which JWG uses, we do see that the Aquarius Moon and South Node midpoint is at 12 AQU 22, minutes off of the collective South Node of Neptune. In the Sibly chart this midpoint is 16 AQU 53. The Moon in a nation's chart rules the public, and of course the South Node of the Moon the people's past. This makes sense to see this phenomena so strong in the USA.

As "leaders of the free world," it is evident that this emphasized South Node of Neptune in Aquarius in the USA's chart also speaks to the idealization of the individual. Aquarius is a kinda funny archetype is this way - that is correlates to both the individuation process and to groups of people/community/humanity. And I think that we could discuss the positives and negatives of this phenomena in the country and its impact on the world. Here's some introductory thoughts:

In the negative side, we have hyper-individualism. "I'm free to do whatever I want and f you" type attitude. There is this "Don't Tread on Me" spirit here, but in a way to keeps walls up and creates unwelcomeness in community at times.

On the positive side of this, soul's have chosen to incarnate or migrate to the USA to have more freedom to set out on path in life which resonates for them as an individual, potentially not as limited by the traditional cultural norms of other lifetimes or culture/societies of origin.

Perhaps neither positive or negative, this individualism has moved us further away from honoring of cultural traditions. As a result, many feel culturally lost and are "looking for their people" - lost South Node of Neptune in Aquarius.

This topic alone is pretty vast. And when we apply this to other cultures and countries, there is both so more to consider and an increased understanding of the spectrum of ways the Nodes of Neptune may manifest. With the Nodes of Neptune we are talking about how both the Aquarius and Leo archetypes are idealized within the collective consciousness and individual psyche in some way, shape, or form.

For example, relative to the North Node of Neptune in Leo - for the USA we have this idealization of the individual purpose and the use of individual will to shape your destiny. We get asked from an early age "What do you want to do when you grow up?" There is sense of individual choice which is celebrated as freedom, but isn't always so freeing. If you don't know what your calling is, it may lead to more of sense of feeling lost or confused about your future. All of this is very western minded.

In India I have noticed that we can, in part, correlate the North Node of Neptune to this concept of Divine Lila. To compare East to West, through the lens of the North Node of Neptune in Leo, we come to considering individual will vs divine will. From the peak of hyper-individualism, we are the creators of everything in our life. Or we can seize the reigns and be our own God, so to speak. From the concept of God's Lila, we have less pride and more innate humility because we are not deluding ourselves into believing that we are in control. When we come to this place in consciousness, I believe that we can increase our potential to tune into "life" guiding us on our "individual choice."

In the west we still have more of an inflated self importance of individual destiny, in my opinion, and perhaps fail to understand how fulfilling more traditional life paths can be even more freeing that "having all this freedom." However, wherever your soul chose to incarnate, it was because of the conditions within that family, culture, and society were related to your evolutionary purpose and needs.

Thoughts and reflections on the Nodes at this point?
Please share.

Best,
Redwood

[Redwood]

This week I have some more thoughts to share on the Nodes of Neptune. Regarding the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius, if we consider that this means the archetype of Aquarius holds some ultimate meaning within the collective psyche, beyond the connection to our past lifetimes living in communities and cultures which operated as one organism in harmony with natural laws prior to the evolution of patriarchy, what else can we say?

In my imagination, one of the attractions to this awareness of the potential of community is that there is a place for everyone. In my life, I have noticed that some of the most magical moments have been when I was intricately involved in a big group protect and it all comes together because so many people are part of the effort. After the group experience is over, it is a little sad because it is like I just want to always have this sense of connection and shared group experience and fulfillment.
 
The group effort, Aquarius, was beyond just inspiring, Neptune, but also renewed this sense of hope, Aquarius; a reminder of how things can be when the walls of separation are not keeping us from working together. I believe that the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius correlates to these magical moments.

Have any of you had moments like these? Can you relate to this?

Another thought I have on the South Node of Neptune was this phenomena where people talk about "looking for their tribe." Have you heard this? I have thought of this as a deeper more profound fulfillment, Neptune, by "belonging" to a group, Aquarius. A place where you are among "your people" and feel free to truly be who we are. In this sense, while this is beautiful to have this experience, there is a shadow side of this which relates to the South Node of Neptune that is worthy of contemplation. On the one hand, we have these ideals of freedom and on the other hand we can see how the group thinking can become idealized, which is also a South Node of Neptune in Aquarius phenomena. In this case, we can find we are not so free due to fears of the consequences of the group turning against us.

As Jeffrey would often say, "who has the courage to stand as a group of one?" In light of the peer pressure of going against the group thinking, this can be very challenging thing to do. And the results can be ostracization. There are groups which we do not align with the values or beliefs of. These types of group relationships we do not feel we are part of. If there is no Neptunian sense of being one with a group, what is at stake to rock the boat? Perhaps personal safety. But if we have a strong sense of belonging to a group and then find we reach a point where to be true to ourselves we risk loosing this, the the emotional impact can be a more profound loss. I believe it is under these types of circumstances which it becomes especially challenging to feel that we no longer belong.

For those souls who are individuating and grow up in a consensus dominant reality, there is more of the Neptunian sense of being lost as one seeks to find others they can relate to, feel they belong around, and share in their differences. When we reflect on the example of indigenous cultures which embraced the Uranian element within the consensus of the culture, we see that there is less of chance of "slipping through the cracks" of society. I am not exactly sure how we can move towards realignment with natural laws in such a way that consensus both honors and embraces the antithesis. But I do know that, until we do this, we have a wide variety of social disillusionment, being lost and disassociated, and seeking to find those one can connect with. This raises the concept that it is possible to for consensus to include the experience of belonging to the group for the individuating if and when society returns to alignment with natural law.

Thoughts?

Best,
Redwood

[Natasha]

Hi Redwood and friends,

I was thinking a lot about what you wrote in relation to people looking for their tribe and about what you said relating to feeling lost in the process of seeking others they can relate too; or the sense of not feeling so free due to fears of the consequences of the group turning against us.  Apologies if I'm a little all over the place here or shifting off topic, but these were just thoughts that flooded in as I read and wanted to share.

I feel many times, although we can be part of a group, or find our "tribe" of like-minded people, we will always encounter and be faced with a clash of personal values or a sense of judgment no matter how much alike we feel we are within that group, because of course we are all individual and different.  Even amongst a group, we will all ultimately be faced with the challenge of learning to be that group of one.  There is only ONE of us, regardless of how many are around us, yet paradoxically at the core, we are all the same, and are ONE. 

I believe a major lesson in this is to learn unconditional LOVE.  I feel that is an ultimate lesson of life as we all collectively progress into our awareness as Source.  What we judge in another is a reflection of what we judge in ourselves. This is why we are faced with those who test our values, our ways of thinking, ways of being, etc... even amongst  our "tribe".  There may be a sense and desire of wanting to belong and be a part of, but the reality is we always belong, and we are always a part of.   The South Node of Neptune in Aquarius in my perspective speaks to the necessary process of experiencing the dissociation feeling amongst groups/tribes that is needed for us to begin clearing the fog and confusion. These experiences are necessary.

As we continue to individuate collectively, we are in a threshold and intermediacy of belonging, and yet not belonging – so a lot of questioning starts to surface our consciousness—and lots of confusion may arise as you mentioned (Neptune).  Who am "I"?

When we realize that we are not actually different or separate from eachother, and we realize that we are one with everyone and everything else, we shift into the KNOWING phase, which is what I believe represents our spirituation(Neptune) process. This is a big part of our universal and collective healing.  Unconditional love being paramount to that healing.   

As a collective, and for our ultimate healing – the practice of unconditional Love(Neptune), allows us to truly shift into that North Node in Leo where we then take complete charge of our sovereignty, exhibit true display of Love – for ourselves, and for others.  For us to truly love others, we must have unconditional love for ourselves first.

Thank you for reading, Looking forward to your thoughts 

[Redwood]

Hi Natasha and Everyone,

Natasha - I really appreciate what you have added to the South Node of Neptune in Aquarius conversation. I may circle back and say more, but for now I am going to let this percolate and see what new arises. I do want to say I think you really did capture something so pertinent to this node and our individual collective experiences. And perhaps these lessons are becoming even more potent in the collective as Pluto's Aquarius transit begins to activate Neptune's South Node. I have been collecting key event charts which have these Nodes of Neptune activated which I believe you will find interesting. I look forward to sharing and exploring these in the future.

For today, another change of topic and I am sharing what I just worked on preparing to add to the Venus Uranus nodal conjunction in Gemini conversation.
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This week I are turning us back to the North Nodes of Venus and Uranus, which are in conjunction in Gemini. I have watched this Doha Debate, hosted on Al Jazeera, a couple times this week because I found it so intriguing how connected to these planetary nodes the discussion was. Also, the panel has a nice diversity of perspectives and insights into the evolutionary influence of AI.
 
If you get a chance to listen to this, keep in mind how Venus/Uranus/Gemini so much of this discussion about AI is - from this concept of individual homogeny, to finding a new diversity of ideas beyond our personal likes and dislikes, the Curiosity Project - to the resources and money behind AI. There is a lot of talk that goes from the individual to the community/society/nation/tribe. We hear a debate around different values, Venus, of freedom, Uranus, at both the individual level and at a global level. A whole conversation about finding our authentic selves. There is a little talk about flattening accents in different languages to increase communication access. And there are introduced ideas of AI employed for cultures who would like different governance models than western models.

One of the ideas they are exploring is if AI is creating homogeny within the individual and within groups - strengthening groups through repeatedly connecting on shared values and reinforcing individual shared biases. Can confirmation bias be healthy or is this just leading towards extremes, Venus, that are dividing us on our differences? Note Venus and Uranus both correlate to differences - Venus/Libra - diversity and Uranus/Aquarius - uniqueness and individuality. I thought this concept of "individual homogeny" is so interesting and on point for a Venus Uranus phenomenon where we are fed our individual likes over and over. The "for you" page, the recommendations, etc. 

It is pointed out that because there are corporations who are profit driven behind AI, who are Silicon Valley based, who are not transparent with the training data, who back the US maintaining global control of use and access to the technology and to US hegemony, we have this issue of inequality built into something that "we" want to be equally accessible and free. Relative to Venus's North Node in Gemini conjunct Uranus's North Node, we see these paradoxes - freedom of information vs information and tech being commodified and controlled.

Because we are talking about Venus Uranus nodes in conjunction, I think that the real question I would have asked is: "can this actually be controlled?" We are talking about Uranus here. Maybe they don't know that, but we do. It is pointed out that US companies are globally controlling access to chips and control training data for models, which apparently they are not transparent about. Still, Uranus raises the notion that AI models may evolve beyond the weights and training models from within themselves. Personally, I think AI will go beyond the ability for its creators to control it and this will time with Uranus's transit of Gemini.

Does not, at the most basic core meaning, Venus and Uranus's North Nodes in Gemini point towards free trade? Gemini correlates to trade, Venus to money, and Uranus freedom. Right now, free trade isn't a reality because...well, because of greed that isn't controlled. And this has manifested as those who control the greatest wealth maintain the dollar as global currency and use this to maintain financial dominance through financial capitalism. Perhaps AI can solve the problem of finding a way to truly trade freely globally without the strings attached that is the dollar's hegemony.

If you watch and have any thoughts, epiphanies, or questions related to these planetary nodes, please share.

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Best,
Redwood

[Redwood]

Will be back in couple days with some more response and comments on North Node of Neptune in Leo. 🙏